Is John Sununu running for president? Is Obama going to complete his 'background check' by releasing his academic records? What was Obama's military service again? Do people who care so much what political/religious causes chic-fil-a supports with the $5 you give them for a sandwich think that your own employer should concern themselves with what political/religious or non-religious causes you support with the money you earn from working for them?
No,,John Sanunu is talking shit and he's just been called on it. Obama verified his info ran and won the presidency and now it's rMoneys turn, Barry didn't get deferred from the draft as so many war mongering republicans did would be the point here but you knew that but preferred to play it dumb as people will do when it suits them. And yes I care about the political leanings of the companies I patronize. I quit going to Blockbuster video years ago because of it and Chick fillet will be even easier cuz I think their food is not that good and overpriced to boot. As for that last notion don't be surprised when that actually starts happening.
So you can't fucking read or what? I just answered everyone of your questions and I can tell already that it's not going to happen again since you want to come off as a stupid cunt apprantly,,,
You answered none of my questions because you missed the point on pretty much all of them. This is the place where I would explain them a little more for you, you know...dumb em down and spell em out a lil better for you, but considering how empty of substance your first round of responses was and how your second round was to call me a 'stupid cunt' well that shows the level of discussion that would bring and frankly the deaths of those elections to post it just wouldn't be worth it. Carry on with the copy n paste cartoon wisdom and enlighten us all Einstein with other people's wit because you obviously can't handle considering someone else's words and then expressing YOUR OWN.
You answered none of my questions,,,,,,I answered them all if you didn't care for the answers that not my problem and yes you're being an obtuse fucking twat,,,that is also not my problem.
You gave answers but not to the actual questions, not to the points raised, not to the discussion. What would your score be if that was a test of reading comprehension and you got 4 out of 4 wrong? Kinda reminds me of that person or two in most people's facebook feeds that use status shuffle or other sources to copy n paste in all of their statuses. Eventually it all falls apart when they have to try to use their own words, their own thoughts rather than just copy n pasting in funny pic after funny pic of someone else's opinions.
Submitted by Delphiaticalizm on Sun, 07/22/2012 - 23:54.
Great post....I will elaborate for your friend...Obama was 7 and living in Indonesia at the time of the Vietnam war, so why would one compare a draft avoiding/dodging Romney to a young Obama..we're talking about a guy who sneakily waited out the war on student deferments right?....not someone who willingly chose not to serve in the military. As far as his academic records I think if you look at his past experience as a lecturer and teacher of constitutional law at the university of Chicago, than you might realize that his achievements speak for themselves. Also, not to mention that many of his Harvard professors have come out and said he was there brightest student in all of there years of teaching. He was also president of the Harvard law review. I think that makes him pretty damn smart. Besides, did Bush release his academic records? No, and either have most Presidents so people should get off Barack's dick about it. Oh and John Sununu is a fucking hypocrite and is truly not a US born citizen like our President...that's the point!
Does Obama, especially his younger days really strike you as a person who would have gone to fight in Vietnam? Not likely, especially if he had a way out. The main issue is there is not the advantage (in many voter's opinions) of military service in the question of Romney vs Obama as neither served. Now Kerry vs. Romney would be another story.
From what I've seen most presidents do release their academic records or have had them dug up and released by others. Bush's were dug up by the press. In fairness I don't believe Romney has released his yet either. I don't think the issue of Obama's records are if he is intelligent enough to be president. He does seem smart enough, although he makes many verbal gaffes which woud have been played up by Jon Stewart types when made by Bush. The main questions over his records are if his grades justified his academic path or if he was put along that path by affirmative action (or perhaps the connections of benefactors such as Bush had in his Ivy league path). There also has been some speculation by 'birthers' that the academic records would reveal a non-native born path, but that is an unlikely aspect, still the question of why not release them like other candidates have if he has nothing to hide? And that question can be fairly applied also to Romney's records of taxes and education.
If Sununu's comments were a wink to the birthers then there certainly is a different standard to be applied in what it takes to be 'American' enough to be president, like Obama vs what it takes to be a governor like Sununu. If he's just referring to the way Obama can be often less America-focused and more world-focused (right or wrong) then it is certainly possible that a non-native born citizen like Sununu can be more 'American' based off actions and beliefs (again for right or wrong) than even a natural born citizen like Obama.
Does Obama, especially his younger days really strike you as a person who would have gone to fight in Vietnam? Are you really going to sit their and conjecture about what Barry MIGHT have done as opposed to what Mitt ACTUALLY did? Obama would have got a college deferment just like rMoney, and Cheney and Rove or perhaps while drifting back into parallel universes he might have gone the Nugent route and shit his pants and acted like a nut to get out of it. That might have been the same universe where the Germans won the war or Ringo was actually a good drummer. Are we then supposed to make some determination about his character based on this hypothetical you just pulled out of your ass and resonsider our vote?,,,just wondering.
There is a difference between 'might do' which is anything like your outrageous examples, and 'would likely do' which I think could reasonably be determined based off what we know of the person's actions and beliefs and such. If you want to take it up a level, you mentioned the problem with Romney getting a way out of an unpopular war is along the lines of 'war mongering republicans' yet I think you're having to do your own 'conjecture' about what Romney 'might' do making him a war monger. I'm not so sure he would be more trigger happy to get into wars than your average centrist Democrat is. Perhaps he 'might' be more of a 'war monger' than Obama, but even that is up in the air as Obama has ended the Iraq conflict, but escalated the Afghanistan one, he also has made controversial war moves like his drone assassinations, killing perhaps legit targets along with civilians and gray areas of US citizens etc. He took military action against Libya. Not saying those were all wrong choices, and Romney hasn't been a national politician to have the records of making such war decisions, but he may not be such a 'war monger' if he gets the chance to.
Here's what I actually know about Romney,,,when he was in college he protested against the war protesters, took his deferments, did a mission in Paris and never bothered to volunteer to go a'la John Kerry,,,that's what he actually DID. So let's talk some more about what Obama might have done,,become an astronaut, join the Black Panthers, marry a fat girl and move to Oklahoma, teach constitutional law at a university,,,oh wait he actually DID do that, does that actually count for anything on your fantasy planet of conjecture?
Submitted by dingdangdong on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 12:56.
I love reading these threads. I love how angry people are getting over a giant douche and a turd sandwich. They both suck. Why anyone would argue in favor of one or the other is beyond me. I love how we are handed two choices, JUST TWO...and both are fucking SHITTY choices...and instead of being pissed about our TWO SHITTY options...we get pissed at each other for choosing one.
Submitted by Delphiaticalizm on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 13:30.
I love how people just sit back and condemn the whole political process and blame the two party system without knowing who or why the system is filled with holes and why nothing gets done in washington. Politics is a dirty game and the American people like to play there own dirty games but how can you condemn everyone without realizing that there are those within the system that are trying to the right thing?
How many times have the Republicans obstructed Obama? which party made it nearly impossible to pass a bill in the senate by making sure that 60 not 51 votes became the new standard? Which party wants to Just go bombing Iran without realizing what type of repercussions that would cause throughout the world and within our own country, which has an already fragile economy? Which party wants to talk about abortion, birth control and hindering women's rights instead of rebuilding our crumbling bridges and roads.....THE REPUBLICANS. I could say much much more about the republicans and there backwards policies and selfish ideologies but it would be to exhausting...... So the point is, there is a clear difference between the parties but it is people like you who would rather complain and blame everyone instead of learning about who's who in the political world. You allow the cycle to continue.....pick a fucking side.
Submitted by dingdangdong on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 14:11.
I love you how you assume that I speak without prior knowledge. Perhaps the reason I bring this up is because I happen to know a lot about the political system. And what I have discovered has left me disenchanted by how disenfranchised we are. I think you know the saying about assuming....
Just because this is the way our country works now doesn't make it right. It doesn't make me wrong for not agreeing with it.
I'm sorry that you cannot step outside of the box and think for yourself instead of thinking along a parties lines. I'm sorry that you don't see people that mindlessly follow the prescribed party platforms as being more of an enabler of the cycle than me.
Explain to me how me condemning the two party system is worse than you condemning just one?
I do believe there are good politicians trying to do the right thing, the unfortunate thing is they are the minority.
But what I find to be most unfortunate is that neither Obama nor Romney (in my opinion) are apart of that small group of political do-gooders.
Romney is obviously shady as fuck. I don't trust him.
But Obama has had four years...and I'm not impressed....
still occupying foreign nations and becoming entangled in their problems? Yes assassinations? Yes instigating political unrest? Yes NDAA? Yes Resigned the Patriot Act? Yes Bailouts to corporations? Yes Mandated monetary support of private insurance companies paid for by the people? Yes Signed deal to keep troops in Afghanistan for 10 more years? Yes
He is an amazing orator, singer, dancer, charmer....but I'm not impressed by him politically.
There used to be protesters against the war on the corner of my street for years, Obama was elected and they disappeared.....the war might be over but our occupation of sovereign foreign nations continues. And our troops aren't shooting peace flowers at these people.
How long has abortion been on the political table? And not one president has done a thing about it. How long has gay marriage been on the poilitcal table? Outside of a well planned statement I don't see anything being done about that either.
I agree that republicans are nuts...HOWEVER I find the same misguided ideologies in the democratic party as well. I'm not not represented by either party. So why should I just give up on my strong beliefs and as you say pick a fucking side?
Why should I just settle for shit? We all deserve better than settling for shit or the lesser evil as some may argue.
In closing, I am sorry sir but I won't just shut up and pick a fucking side. I will keep waiving my flag from my soap box in the hopes that SOMEONE will see how silly this all is.
Are you going to vote? Cuz if not GTFO. I don't care what you fucking think and just know that political apathy plays right into their hands. The less people that vote the better,,,fucking GOP is hard at it at this very fucking moment trying to disenfranchise thousands of people of their vote and you're going to do their job for them,,,,you want to know why nothing ever fucking changes? Because only old people vote.
Submitted by dingdangdong on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 14:16.
I do vote. I will vote. It is not apathy it is pure unadulterated disappointment. Do not be confused. And try not to be so offended by others opinions. Your reaction to my statement is childish at best....but I forgive you because unlike some people I like discussing these things....even with those who don't agree with me.
Sorry but I am sick to death of the whole "There is no difference" line I keep hearing,,,there is a ton of difference and the choices that get made are going to affect you and me and everyone else for decades.You really want rMoney choosing the next two Supreme Court Justices? You really think handing the keys back to the guys who wrecked the car to begin with is a good idea? It MATTERS, it's IMPORTANT, and yes Barry has disappointed me as well but that's actually how you know he's on the right track with a lot of things,,,he pisses everyone off. However the one thing that truly bums me out and where I think he failed quite badly was how much time he spent trying to get the GOP to play ball, he gave them to many chances and failed to see that yes indeed they would let the whole country go to hell in a handbasket just to make him look bad. I've given up on nuance,,,they don't have any why should I bother?
Submitted by Tolland Man on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 15:24.
So, I'm "on the right track with things" too? Cool.
And the GOP don't play ball with no Socialist Negros. He knew that when he ran, and you knew that when you elected him, dumbass. You set yourself up. Quit crying.
Submitted by dingdangdong on Mon, 07/23/2012 - 15:43.
I never said I wanted Romney. I never said that the republican party or their candidate is worthy of office.
What exactly has Obama done to be considered on the right track? I listed a few things that I find to be the wrong track...but I'm curious to know what steps has he made towards the right track?
Why is it so bad that I don't like either parties platform? Why should I be chastised for not agreeing with the ONLY TWO options we are given?
I'm failing to see why it is acceptable to dislike one party or the other, but it is ridiculous that anyone could dislike them both.
We are fighting against not having options when it comes to medical treatment/insurance...THAT is ok
But disliking the ONLY TWO OPTIONS for political party...the people who make decisions that directly affect our lives is not...
This is backwards thinking. I can't understand it.
What's your 3rd option? This is the system that we have. I'd love to have some more options but THEY DON'T EXIST RIGHT NOW. So what are we going to do right now? I voted for Ron Paul in the GOP primaries now what? Rocky Anderson the former mayor of Salt Lake and a pretty progressive guy is attempting to run for President but I don't want a 3rd candidate I want a 3rd party. Not that I ever agreed with most of their crap but look how quickly the "Tea Party" just became an extension of the GOP. (Which is what I said all along, that a tea bagger was just a pissed off republican who felt the party wan't conservative enough) if all the waling and gnashing of teeth makes you feel better fine but when you walk into the booth there are only 2 real options. As far as what Barry has managed so far despite the monumental opposition: TARP,,,we'll never really know how much it actually helped, but the costs of doing nothing as agreed to by just about everybody would have been in theory much, much worse. Am I pissed that there have been no prosecutions over it? Hell yes, would it have played out any differently under a McCain presidency? Probably not. The Health Care Mandate is obviously a big deal, that it has manged to get through the Roberts court now makes it a double big deal and AFAIC that piece of legislation alone means Barry got more done in 1 term then shrub did in 2. Bailing out GM seemed like a good idea. The DOW has been over 12,000 for a good long time which I understand has nothing to do with him and also for the most part doesn't do anything for us but obviously for all the over heated and irrational rhetoric the economy has not collapsed under our socialist, Kenyan born, NAZI, Muslim president,,,
Submitted by dingdangdong on Tue, 07/24/2012 - 08:33.
Other options DO EXIST
I voted for RP in the primaries....and he is still running
There are 12 other people running for president.
Just because they aren't the 'popular' kids in the school doesn't mean they shouldn't be given a fair shake.
There are other options, and there are other parties. Unfortunately, people forget about them. So then true apathy sets in where you give up on your convictions and pick the 'lesser evil' because apparently it is too much work to investigate the alternatives
If half the energy we spend on here arguing back and forth about these two idiots was perhaps spent on...oh I dunno...looking into our '3rd options' maybe there would be more of a change.
Submitted by dingdangdong on Tue, 07/24/2012 - 11:52.
I hope you realize how strange that logic is.
You complained about not having options...you find out there are options...and yet here you are...
Instead of striving to elect someone who (despite the odds) will make a difference or represents your beliefs....you would rather be on the winning team (despite how shitty they might be, or shitty we all know they will be)
Funny how I was told I was the problem, when this type of mentality is the real problem.
All I am saying is GO OUT AND FUCKING VOTE! I don't care who you vote for just fucking do it. As I keep fucking stating over and over again; Political apathy plays into their hands, they fucking love it when people don't vote. Exercise your civic prerogative every chance you get. Not voting is not making a statement, it's abdication.
Submitted by dingdangdong on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 09:03.
But clearly you do care who people vote for.
You made this post to do what?
Sway other people to see your point of view? Or to preach to the choir? Either way, by voting for the guy you think will win just "plays into their hands, they fucking love it when people" don't use their minds and pick the easy way out.
There is a choice to be made and it will steer the country in one direction or another and that choice will have long lived ramifications that will affect us all weather you vote or not. Bitch and moan all you like about your distaste for either one your still going to end up with one or the other. The easy way out is letting others choose for you. Your never going to get a perfect candidate so choose. In most states less then 50% of people vote, in close elections it slices down the middle which means 25% of the population of your state has just dictated policy,,and those people are the ones who go to the caucuses and pick the candidates and that is where the real choice gets made (Thats how it works in Utah anyway)
Submitted by Delphiaticalizm on Tue, 07/24/2012 - 16:54.
I know I posted this before but fuck it.....I will post it every time he is mentioned as a viable Candidate. I don't know why people think RP is a fucking savior! Also, if he magically made it into office he wouldn't get shit done because his own party as well as the Dems hate half of his philosophy.
I agree with you, it's always the lesser of two evils. There is nothing wrong with not liking either candidate. And there's nothing wrong with wanting more options. It's the people who elect the government, but in the end, most politicians never really represent the majority of Americans. It is still important to vote and try to wedge your tiny sliver of opinion into a sea of corruption, and for me that always means weighing the options of who is going to piss me off the least, support causes I feel are important, and not fuck up (in my opinion) the most.
Not voting can be a political statement in itself. It is perhaps not as effective as voting for even the 'lesser of two evils' but it is something. Both political parties take into consideration the masses who are not voting in any given election and considering angling in candidates that can get those people out to the polls, like a lot of the fresh excited Obama voters in the last election that wouldn't have gone down to the polls for Kerry in 2004. By all means, vote, but I don't think it's valid to say that people who choose not to vote can't still speak their mind on the issues and be politically informed and involved.
You sound like your working for someone,,,"Not voting can be a political statement in itself" Yay lets all make a political statement by ensuring that an even smaller minority of people determine policy for us! And then sit around bitching about it after the fact! We don't live in a country where they redo elections because their is no plurality,,,if only 10 people show up to vote then those 10 people just determined the outcome,,,you got anything else in your hat that doesn't involve abdicating our civic prerogative that so many people fought and died over to give us???
I will likely be voting and I encourage informed people to do the same, however I stand by my statement that not showing up at the polls does have an effect. It may be a smaller, slower one but it is the sort of trend that leads to third parties that can become parties that can even win, or the major parties taking into consideration that they should evolve and change their positions or run different kinds of candidates. Perhaps a more effective statement along that line would be for people to consider writing in a candidate or voting third party rather than voting for the two main ones if they really don't like the two choices. The message being sent that it's not that the voter is too lazy to get down to the polls, but that they don't like either of the two choices.
I totally disagree,,,the trend over the last 50 years is that less and less people voted and in that same time period you see the government responding less and less to the electorate.
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Is Obama going to complete his 'background check' by releasing his academic records?
What was Obama's military service again?
Do people who care so much what political/religious causes chic-fil-a supports with the $5 you give them for a sandwich think that your own employer should concern themselves with what political/religious or non-religious causes you support with the money you earn from working for them?
Does Obama, especially his younger days really strike you as a person who would have gone to fight in Vietnam? Not likely, especially if he had a way out. The main issue is there is not the advantage (in many voter's opinions) of military service in the question of Romney vs Obama as neither served. Now Kerry vs. Romney would be another story.
From what I've seen most presidents do release their academic records or have had them dug up and released by others. Bush's were dug up by the press. In fairness I don't believe Romney has released his yet either. I don't think the issue of Obama's records are if he is intelligent enough to be president. He does seem smart enough, although he makes many verbal gaffes which woud have been played up by Jon Stewart types when made by Bush. The main questions over his records are if his grades justified his academic path or if he was put along that path by affirmative action (or perhaps the connections of benefactors such as Bush had in his Ivy league path). There also has been some speculation by 'birthers' that the academic records would reveal a non-native born path, but that is an unlikely aspect, still the question of why not release them like other candidates have if he has nothing to hide? And that question can be fairly applied also to Romney's records of taxes and education.
If Sununu's comments were a wink to the birthers then there certainly is a different standard to be applied in what it takes to be 'American' enough to be president, like Obama vs what it takes to be a governor like Sununu. If he's just referring to the way Obama can be often less America-focused and more world-focused (right or wrong) then it is certainly possible that a non-native born citizen like Sununu can be more 'American' based off actions and beliefs (again for right or wrong) than even a natural born citizen like Obama.
Are you really going to sit their and conjecture about what Barry MIGHT have done as opposed to what Mitt ACTUALLY did? Obama would have got a college deferment just like rMoney, and Cheney and Rove or perhaps while drifting back into parallel universes he might have gone the Nugent route and shit his pants and acted like a nut to get out of it. That might have been the same universe where the Germans won the war or Ringo was actually a good drummer. Are we then supposed to make some determination about his character based on this hypothetical you just pulled out of your ass and resonsider our vote?,,,just wondering.
How many times have the Republicans obstructed Obama? which party made it nearly impossible to pass a bill in the senate by making sure that 60 not 51 votes became the new standard? Which party wants to Just go bombing Iran without realizing what type of repercussions that would cause throughout the world and within our own country, which has an already fragile economy? Which party wants to talk about abortion, birth control and hindering women's rights instead of rebuilding our crumbling bridges and roads.....THE REPUBLICANS. I could say much much more about the republicans and there backwards policies and selfish ideologies but it would be to exhausting...... So the point is, there is a clear difference between the parties but it is people like you who would rather complain and blame everyone instead of learning about who's who in the political world. You allow the cycle to continue.....pick a fucking side.
Just because this is the way our country works now doesn't make it right. It doesn't make me wrong for not agreeing with it.
I'm sorry that you cannot step outside of the box and think for yourself instead of thinking along a parties lines. I'm sorry that you don't see people that mindlessly follow the prescribed party platforms as being more of an enabler of the cycle than me.
Explain to me how me condemning the two party system is worse than you condemning just one?
I do believe there are good politicians trying to do the right thing, the unfortunate thing is they are the minority.
But what I find to be most unfortunate is that neither Obama nor Romney (in my opinion) are apart of that small group of political do-gooders.
Romney is obviously shady as fuck. I don't trust him.
But Obama has had four years...and I'm not impressed....
still occupying foreign nations and becoming entangled in their problems? Yes
assassinations? Yes
instigating political unrest? Yes
NDAA? Yes
Resigned the Patriot Act? Yes
Bailouts to corporations? Yes
Mandated monetary support of private insurance companies paid for by the people? Yes
Signed deal to keep troops in Afghanistan for 10 more years? Yes
He is an amazing orator, singer, dancer, charmer....but I'm not impressed by him politically.
There used to be protesters against the war on the corner of my street for years, Obama was elected and they disappeared.....the war might be over but our occupation of sovereign foreign nations continues. And our troops aren't shooting peace flowers at these people.
How long has abortion been on the political table? And not one president has done a thing about it. How long has gay marriage been on the poilitcal table? Outside of a well planned statement I don't see anything being done about that either.
I agree that republicans are nuts...HOWEVER I find the same misguided ideologies in the democratic party as well. I'm not not represented by either party. So why should I just give up on my strong beliefs and as you say pick a fucking side?
Why should I just settle for shit? We all deserve better than settling for shit or the lesser evil as some may argue.
In closing, I am sorry sir but I won't just shut up and pick a fucking side. I will keep waiving my flag from my soap box in the hopes that SOMEONE will see how silly this all is.
So, I'm "on the right track with things" too? Cool.
And the GOP don't play ball with no Socialist Negros. He knew that when he ran, and you knew that when you elected him, dumbass. You set yourself up. Quit crying.
First, I'm not even a Republican. Second, I love darkies, but I can never eat a whole one by myself.
Add? Oh, yeah. Fuck you. LOL
I never said that the republican party or their candidate is worthy of office.
What exactly has Obama done to be considered on the right track? I listed a few things that I find to be the wrong track...but I'm curious to know what steps has he made towards the right track?
Why is it so bad that I don't like either parties platform? Why should I be chastised for not agreeing with the ONLY TWO options we are given?
I'm failing to see why it is acceptable to dislike one party or the other, but it is ridiculous that anyone could dislike them both.
We are fighting against not having options when it comes to medical treatment/insurance...THAT is ok
But disliking the ONLY TWO OPTIONS for political party...the people who make decisions that directly affect our lives is not...
This is backwards thinking. I can't understand it.
I voted for RP in the primaries....and he is still running
There are 12 other people running for president.
Just because they aren't the 'popular' kids in the school doesn't mean they shouldn't be given a fair shake.
There are other options, and there are other parties. Unfortunately, people forget about them. So then true apathy sets in where you give up on your convictions and pick the 'lesser evil' because apparently it is too much work to investigate the alternatives
If half the energy we spend on here arguing back and forth about these two idiots was perhaps spent on...oh I dunno...looking into our '3rd options' maybe there would be more of a change.
Change doesn't come from giving up.
Most of you on here sound like you gave up.
You complained about not having options...you find out there are options...and yet here you are...
Instead of striving to elect someone who (despite the odds) will make a difference or represents your beliefs....you would rather be on the winning team (despite how shitty they might be, or shitty we all know they will be)
Funny how I was told I was the problem, when this type of mentality is the real problem.
And sadly most people would agree with you
You made this post to do what?
Sway other people to see your point of view? Or to preach to the choir?
Either way, by voting for the guy you think will win just "plays into their hands, they fucking love it when people" don't use their minds and pick the easy way out.
What a bunch of numb-skulls.