Ah yes. The good old fashioned American version of "freedom". The freedom to make sure anyone you don't like or agree with doesn't get the same freedom that you enjoy.
I already said this, and I know I'm contradicting myself like I did with me, but, for example, it helps fund groups that work to prevent gay people from adopting.
Submitted by Tolland Man on Fri, 08/10/2012 - 13:35.
I think you may be surprised how many people in those lines really are just there to support freedom of opinion (and because they like the chicken). I hope so anyway. I know how much I hate being told what I must agree with, support, and or condone just to be liked and accepted by Liberals. And I see no difficulty enthusiastically supporting both Gay Rights, and Chick-fil-a. If Chick-fil-a ever begins illegal discrimination against gays or any other group of people, I'll help drive the fucking bulldozer.....
I was raised in the Midwest so most of my former friends are from there and conservative and I got to see their opinions on facebook evolve from "fucking faggots" to "freedom of speech." I got sick of it all so I deleted most of those assholes. I dunno, maybe it's just people in South Dakota are really, really intolerant.
also jfps, i dont stand with trolland man on this issue either. my views are much more simple than that lol.
in fact, i didnt go to chick-fil-a on ANY of these protest/support days. too fucking busy ;)
when i go there, i just want to get my tasty sandwich and gtfo as soon as possible (crowds. ughh.)
Submitted by Tolland Man on Fri, 08/10/2012 - 14:35.
I agree with you completely. As long as no one tries to condemn me for spending my money there, I'll be cool with everything. But THAT is what I see happening, and it's absolutely abhorrent to me. If someone REALLY wants to stop Chick-fil-a, I think they should get a group together, pool resources, buy it, and close it in a big free chicken sandwich party. Honestly, I don't think any businessman in the universe has ever been convinced to change his views on religion and morality by people actively trying to hurt his business. Do you want to enlighten him, or just hurt him? Or...... just silence him? Protest the company if you like, try and hurt his business if you like. But please, do NOT try and silence him. That is a slippery slope. When you start belittling other people because they speak out honestly and legally in support of their beliefs EITHER WAY, I think you've crossed a line. It's pretty simple to me. Be as Gay as you like, be as straight as you like. Eat Chick-fil-a, don't eat Chick-fil-a. I'm fine with it all. But the MOMENT someone tries to actively make someone else feel somehow lessened or inadequate by their personal decision either way, the MOMENT someone tries to belittle another person for their personal opinions, the MOMENT someone tries to silence the opposition, we have a problem, with a capital P, and that rhymes with C, and that stands for chicken.
I am NOT talking about people who buy Chick-fil-a, just so we're clear, but I'm guilty of thinking lesser of people who are actively out there to stop gay people from getting more rights in this country.
Submitted by Tolland Man on Fri, 08/10/2012 - 15:52.
As I think you already know, My opinion of anyone who opposes equal rights for all American non-felons is that they are completely wrong.... but they have that right, and to tell them that they are bad people, or imbeciles or to lash out against them is just as wrong as it is when they lash out against homosexuals. It's just counterproductive. I absolutely, completely, wholeheartedly support all human rights, and that most certainly includes the right to love whoever you chose. That has never changed and it never will. It's probably the main reason I hate Islam so fucking much. No BLTs in Allahville ........... Honestly? Now that I think about it, I don't think my political and moral stance has anything to do with anything but the food. I just really like Chick-fil-a sandwiches and BLT's. I wanna be free to eat what I want, when I want it. Don't we all?
Submitted by Tolland Man on Fri, 08/10/2012 - 16:16.
I'll confess that I really do try to be clear. That's my main ambition in life. Well, that, and to be orally adored by Jennifer Aniston..... in Hawaii..... on the night after Romney is sworn in ......and have my Ex-wife walk in pushing a cart...... delivering the ice bucket with the Dom Perignon..... and sporting a fresh black eye.
Submitted by parthenogenesis on Sun, 08/12/2012 - 00:51.
chic-fil-eh is not good food. oh btw, do you also support freedom (of
non-felons) to slander, libel, yell fire in a theater and threaten to
kill people?
I find the freedom of speech thing funny, because then I think What if this guy said he was against interracial marriage or said he supported pedophilia. Would that line be just as long in support of freedom of speech?
Submitted by Tolland Man on Fri, 08/10/2012 - 16:39.
You do understand that there is a HUGE difference between Gay rights and interracial marriage, which are or should be completely legal and publicly supported, and the totally different issue of pedophilia which is illegal, reprehensible and publicly condemned, just as it should be, don't you? I think that it's not really a freedom of speech issue. Its a freedom from persecution for your personal and religious beliefs as long as they are within the historically accepted boundaries. Or something like that. Maybe... I don't know. I'm tired and I still haven't had my lunch. I'm getting tired of Chick-fil-a.... I wish this shit would blow over. This whole boycott thing resembles the German Nazis refusing to do any business with the Jews too much for me to be comfortable with it.
I didn't say it as examples to be compared. Tons of people in that line were saying that they were there because of freedom of speech, which is freedom to say whatever the fuck you want, so I threw some random awful shit in there. I can leave out the pedophile thing if it's confusing. I just meant that if the guy had chosen something else unpopular to say he supported or didn't support I wonder if people would have formed that line in the first place. It seems to be a freedom of speech issue for convenience, so people don't have to outright say they don't like gays, You know?
Submitted by Tolland Man on Fri, 08/10/2012 - 20:25.
Thanks for merely insinuating that I was confused... and not saying what you really meant. How faux-polite of you. I am well aware that a lot (probably the vast majority) of the people in these lines are anti-Gay and just using freedom of speech as an excuse. But for me, it has almost nothing to do with freedom of speech, only with freedom from religious (or any other type of) persecution. You must know that Nazi Germans ridiculed all other Germans that did not cease shopping at Jewish shops at one time. As now, it was because of their religious beliefs. This smacks of the same kind of persecution to me. I will not stand by idly and watch Gays persecuted either. And believe me, I have no problem with any adult human being on the whole planet with regard to their sexual orientation... except for kiddie stuff. You can fuck chickens or oranges or the recently deceased if you really want to and I won't particularly care. I'm a pretty liberal guy sexually speaking. As long as your partner does not oppose the act, have at it. I support Gay rights. I support ALL human rights. Like the stupid and false accusation of racism, so many Liberal fuckers here WISH I was actually homophobic so they could call ,me that too. BTW, I support Stem Cell research, and gender equality too.... as if it actually mattered to any of the Liberal assholes here.
Dude, you dont need to be a dick to me for no reason. I was just making an observation, which I thought was pretty clear the first time I said it. I can try next time and just not clarify if you want. I wasn't being faux polite, I was being actually polite. jeepers creepers. It was never directed at you or anything you believe, because you've said it about a million times here and in other threads. I was just adding a thought that touched upon the free speech thing. I get that you don't like me and all, but christ, a real conversation is possible you know.
Submitted by Tolland Man on Fri, 08/10/2012 - 20:41.
May I offer my sincere apologies? I freely confess that I am often truly guilty of assuming the worst from the Liberal side of the SG family. It's a terrible habit to pre-judge someone, no matter how many times it turns out to be well founded and confirmed. I was unfair. I am sorry.
im just trying to be funny. but, you've definitely got me pegged (no pun intended) :)
the only thing that gets at me are these people who are VERY passionate about boycotting this fast food chain. "i will/would NEVER buy their product".
i think some of those very people would be surprised to learn just how many national corporations are devoutly religious, and anti-gay.
Somebody (I think ttnorac) already got me on supporting OPEC by buying gasoline, even though they have member nations that persecute and kill homosexuals. Like you said, I'm sure there's plenty more that I'm ignorant of.
Have I been summoned? The point was the absurdity of the Chick-Fil-A protests. They accomplished nothing. We learned nothing from it. You got my point. No need to expand.
I support gay marriage. I would love to see adoption promoted in the gay community. It would be far better for kids in the foster program to have a stable loving family. (this isn't to dismiss the foster parents who are great).
But when elected officials poked their noses into this I forgot any problems I might have had with Chick-Fil-A.
Elected politicians deciding what speech is acceptable are far more offensive than what some fast food owner does.
Submitted by President on Fri, 08/10/2012 - 18:46.
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. CFA can say whatever the fuck they want, and likewise, we are free not to buy their sandwiches to show we disagree. The idea that anyone is somehow still obligated to buy their sandwiches, and that NOT buying sandwiches constitutes any kind of censorship because it makes their platform less effective, is completely preposterous.
I mean, I guess it holds true that you vote with your dollar, but does it constitute censorship if I think it's absurd that CFA should vote with my dollar as well, without me getting a say in what's being said? Really?
As for people who think CFA has bad business practices and are nominally pro-gay rights, but still buy their sandwiches because they're just so ding dang good: learn to pack a fucking lunch. Jesus.
You absolutely have a right to do business with them or not. This is your end of the free speech position. Government officials do not get to decide to not allow them their free speech choice.
I'll continue to eat there and you can thank Rahm for that.
I bet their plan is to destroy the proud American Nation and then whole humanity by feeding them more fat and making them reliant on diabetes drugs. They figured it out in a top secret meeting with pharmaceutic companies and are hiring more and more immigrants so as to "real Americans" have no jobs and are slowly driven from their own land (that they stole from the natives not so long ago in history, but who cares).
not sure i'd be a good teacher, but sharing is something very natural for me, whenever i have stuff to share. to the point i'm considered reckless sometimes. i am a collector of thoughts and emotions rather than other items.
I have a vintage case of epilepsy that I'd be willing to let you have real cheap. It's in great condition and still works like a charm. If anything, it works better now than it did when it was new.
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I think you may be surprised how many people in those lines really are just there to support freedom of opinion (and because they like the chicken). I hope so anyway. I know how much I hate being told what I must agree with, support, and or condone just to be liked and accepted by Liberals. And I see no difficulty enthusiastically supporting both Gay Rights, and Chick-fil-a. If Chick-fil-a ever begins illegal discrimination against gays or any other group of people, I'll help drive the fucking bulldozer.....
........ also, if they change the recipe.
Then NE, then IL, then FL
in fact, i didnt go to chick-fil-a on ANY of these protest/support days. too fucking busy ;)
when i go there, i just want to get my tasty sandwich and gtfo as soon as possible (crowds. ughh.)
I agree with you completely. As long as no one tries to condemn me for spending my money there, I'll be cool with everything. But THAT is what I see happening, and it's absolutely abhorrent to me. If someone REALLY wants to stop Chick-fil-a, I think they should get a group together, pool resources, buy it, and close it in a big free chicken sandwich party. Honestly, I don't think any businessman in the universe has ever been convinced to change his views on religion and morality by people actively trying to hurt his business. Do you want to enlighten him, or just hurt him? Or...... just silence him? Protest the company if you like, try and hurt his business if you like. But please, do NOT try and silence him. That is a slippery slope. When you start belittling other people because they speak out honestly and legally in support of their beliefs EITHER WAY, I think you've crossed a line. It's pretty simple to me. Be as Gay as you like, be as straight as you like. Eat Chick-fil-a, don't eat Chick-fil-a. I'm fine with it all. But the MOMENT someone tries to actively make someone else feel somehow lessened or inadequate by their personal decision either way, the MOMENT someone tries to belittle another person for their personal opinions, the MOMENT someone tries to silence the opposition, we have a problem, with a capital P, and that rhymes with C, and that stands for chicken.
(except on the Internet, where nothing is real)
As I think you already know, My opinion of anyone who opposes equal rights for all American non-felons is that they are completely wrong.... but they have that right, and to tell them that they are bad people, or imbeciles or to lash out against them is just as wrong as it is when they lash out against homosexuals. It's just counterproductive. I absolutely, completely, wholeheartedly support all human rights, and that most certainly includes the right to love whoever you chose. That has never changed and it never will. It's probably the main reason I hate Islam so fucking much. No BLTs in Allahville ........... Honestly? Now that I think about it, I don't think my political and moral stance has anything to do with anything but the food. I just really like Chick-fil-a sandwiches and BLT's. I wanna be free to eat what I want, when I want it. Don't we all?
I'll confess that I really do try to be clear. That's my main ambition in life. Well, that, and to be orally adored by Jennifer Aniston..... in Hawaii..... on the night after Romney is sworn in ......and have my Ex-wife walk in pushing a cart...... delivering the ice bucket with the Dom Perignon..... and sporting a fresh black eye.
Priceless
God forbid someone should think you agree with me. You would be ruined. RUINED I tell you!!
Hooray Cooter!
Thanks for merely insinuating that I was confused... and not saying what you really meant. How faux-polite of you. I am well aware that a lot (probably the vast majority) of the people in these lines are anti-Gay and just using freedom of speech as an excuse. But for me, it has almost nothing to do with freedom of speech, only with freedom from religious (or any other type of) persecution. You must know that Nazi Germans ridiculed all other Germans that did not cease shopping at Jewish shops at one time. As now, it was because of their religious beliefs. This smacks of the same kind of persecution to me. I will not stand by idly and watch Gays persecuted either. And believe me, I have no problem with any adult human being on the whole planet with regard to their sexual orientation... except for kiddie stuff. You can fuck chickens or oranges or the recently deceased if you really want to and I won't particularly care. I'm a pretty liberal guy sexually speaking. As long as your partner does not oppose the act, have at it. I support Gay rights. I support ALL human rights. Like the stupid and false accusation of racism, so many Liberal fuckers here WISH I was actually homophobic so they could call ,me that too. BTW, I support Stem Cell research, and gender equality too.... as if it actually mattered to any of the Liberal assholes here.
May I offer my sincere apologies? I freely confess that I am often truly guilty of assuming the worst from the Liberal side of the SG family. It's a terrible habit to pre-judge someone, no matter how many times it turns out to be well founded and confirmed. I was unfair. I am sorry.
the only thing that gets at me are these people who are VERY passionate about boycotting this fast food chain. "i will/would NEVER buy their product". i think some of those very people would be surprised to learn just how many national corporations are devoutly religious, and anti-gay.
Ignorance may actually be bliss. I wonder how many people I've injured, enslaved or killed in my life.
frightening.....
The point was the absurdity of the Chick-Fil-A protests. They accomplished nothing. We learned nothing from it.
You got my point. No need to expand.
I support gay marriage. I would love to see adoption promoted in the gay community. It would be far better for kids in the foster program to have a stable loving family. (this isn't to dismiss the foster parents who are great).
But when elected officials poked their noses into this I forgot any problems I might have had with Chick-Fil-A.
Elected politicians deciding what speech is acceptable are far more offensive than what some fast food owner does.
I mean, I guess it holds true that you vote with your dollar, but does it constitute censorship if I think it's absurd that CFA should vote with my dollar as well, without me getting a say in what's being said? Really?
As for people who think CFA has bad business practices and are nominally pro-gay rights, but still buy their sandwiches because they're just so ding dang good: learn to pack a fucking lunch. Jesus.
You absolutely have a right to do business with them or not. This is your end of the free speech position. Government officials do not get to decide to not allow them their free speech choice.
I'll continue to eat there and you can thank Rahm for that.
I have no desire to debate semantics.
http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/231270/rahm-emanuel-chick-fil-a-and-the-easy-slide-into-fascism
Ray Kroc was a racist. Ironic, no?
My collection is already too large, but I'll trade you fairly new cancerous kidney.
If you really gots the lepsy, I'm sorry to hear that. That's gotta be tough.
A cancerous kidney? That would be the perfect christmas gift for my sister. It'll show her just how much I care.
My meds pretty much keep the seizures under control, as long as I remember to take them. So for the most part I just have lots of headaches.