East vs West

Submitted by bender on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 08:46.

Except Christians are scientists, doctors, mathematicians, physicists.

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Submitted by tetris on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 08:54.

except not, because an overwhelming majority of scientists are atheistic. there's actually very few of them who have any religious views and even them are mostly hindu. of statistics, christians are on the last place with education. even behind muslims.

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Submitted by bender on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 08:59.

No they aren't. You are full of shit as usual. Christianity has a long full history of association with science. The first college in the United States was a Christian college. The main book used to teach children to read in schools for the first two hundred years of Americas history was the Bible. America has been by far the leader in technology since it has existed and it has always been a Christian based country and still is today.

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Submitted by tetris on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 09:36.

i'm full of shit? you're a monument of it. yes, christians belong to the least educated mass of people in the world, statistically.

church and science, are you trying to troll me or sth? you're out of your fucking mind. i'm european, you think i don't know my own history? church has a history of burning scientists at stake and murdering more people than both world wars. there is nothing you can say in their defense, read history books, not the bible.

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Submitted by bender on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 10:15.

You are a fucking Moron.

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Submitted by noseriously on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 10:20.

My kind of Christian!

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Submitted by tetris on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 10:33.

you just have nothing left to say, so you throw an insult. behaving like these people in the pics on the right. christians should be wiped out in the early years, around 1000 anno domini. all we would remember is that there was a group of fucktards who wanted to keep the whole world in the dark ages in the name of some half-assed ideology. watch the churches and mosques burn, motherfucker. contemporary humanity doesn't need your religion.

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Submitted by Aphonse on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 14:56.

I really understand your hate of religion but your point of view is historically wrong. Spreading liars won't help people understand what is wrong in religion my friend.

Only few scientists, like Giordano Bruno burnt in 1600 for example, were burnt (or killed) on Vatican's orders. Only the very fundamuntalist part of the vatican used to be irritated by people like Copernic or Galileo for instance.

Yet, science was mostly used to reach potlitical purpose : strengtening catolicism aginst protestism, etc... Like you are trying to use science to discredit religion.

In the Middle Ages, the Church established the very first universities, where monks were the first to study maths, astrology, and shits.
Another example : Thomas D'Auquin was one those guys, who claimed the earth wasn't flat and that didn't prevent him from becoming a major saint and philosopher.

The Vatican never rejected the Big Bang Theory and the actual pope is not appaled by the theory of evolution.

By the way, being European doesn't make you automatically a doctor in History. That is nonsense mate.

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Submitted by tetris on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 15:59.

No, I'm not a doctor in history, I'm a technician. Both Copernicus and Galileo were bullied and suppressed by Vatican. I don't want to list every "witch" that was killed in a most horrible way by so called "witch hunters", who were basically a part of inquisition. Back then everyone who suffered from a (then not yet named, or even diagnosed) Asperger's, was a potential Church's enemy. A crazy cat lady, not trusted by a local peasant, too. Just during the notorious 30 years' war there had been 40k to 60k estimated executions. Possibly 8 million random citizens killed in that war, and this was just a christians vs. christians conflict. You can't possibly list all the Church's atrocities up to this day in a compact paragraph. Going to missions in Africa, and because of ideology, not allowing the use of condoms when the folks there are decimated by HIV? It's not rocket science, dude; it's common sense. There's a reason why we call a part of European history "The Dark Ages", and I don't need to be a doctor of it to know stuff like that. BTW, have you read the Bible? If not, I recommend you do that. It's fucking hilarious.

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Submitted by Aphonse on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 18:04.

1) I'm not judging your level of diploma, sorry if you felt that way, I was just saying : " born in Europe" not equal to "know the history of it"
2) It was "not" Christians vs. Christians. How can you say that? Is the war in Darfour about Christians vs Muslims? The war in Iraq and Afghanistan about Democracy vs Hell? Common man... The religion was just the easy way to manipulate the mass.
3) I've already posted something about the Dark Ages : no strong or real proof/evidence of this period of "intellegence darkness". tons of recent studies about this shit, just google
4) Recent studies clearly show that the inquisition has been way overestimated - and I am definitely not saying that to protect the Vatican or whatever, but there were few people killed in fact.
Just take a look at those books (especially the last one), there are accurate, there is no denying this fact :
- Jean-Louis Biget. Hérésie et inquisition dans le Midi de la France. Picard, 2007.
- Jacques Heers. Le Moyen-Âge, une imposture. Perrin, 2008.
- Jean Sévillia. Historiquement correct. Perrin, 2003.
I don't know if you can speak French, anyway there might be some translation.
5) I read the Bible, and shits. So what's the point? Are you tryin to say that religion are stupid because you don't want to the message behind the story? The message was intended for everyone so even people more than stupid from very "dark" ages as you would say haha, but does this make the message stupid?
6) Once again I not tryin to justify/protect/defend some religion or its image, I'm just saying that you SHOULDN'T spread incorrect facts. I don't give a shit about myths/stories or whatever, if there is a man who talked to god, yet I do give a shit about politicians using mass ignorancy to spread their bullshit and do whatever they want of us.
7) I really understand your point my friend, I disagree on the way to achieve our -probably common goal - sorry for my broken english mate..

And sorry everyone for trashing the forum with my things.

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Submitted by tetris on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 19:25.

Well, look (To make it cohesive), 5). the point is, i am trying to say that religions are stupid because 2). they are an easy way to manipulate the mass. And 8). they have been used like this in a very foul, lousy manner.

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Submitted by tetris on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 19:38.

also, yeah. Simplifying somewhat, generalizing maybe, Darfur is Muslims trying to fuck up multiculturals/multi-faith. And (also a generalization, but surprisingly accurate) Afghanistan is Christians vs. Muslims. You know why it's accurate enough? Because atheists don't give a flying fuck about this war. They want it to fucking end.

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Submitted by President on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 09:35.

Yeah, because there are no muslim scientists, doctors, mathematicians or physicists... uh.

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Submitted by noseriously on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 10:22.

So what about the pictures on the right leads you to believe that guy is a Muslim and that he isnt a doctor?

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Submitted by President on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 17:15.

What on earth makes you think I assumed either of those things? I was replying to Bender and theris, who seemed to me to be arguing about the differences in technological advancement as a consequence of differing religions. Bender tried to make a point out of Christians being more scientifically minded than Muslims - not just today, but throughout history - which seemed patently ridiculous to me, so I replied sarcastically.

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Submitted by RaoulPrompt on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 14:27.

Thank you!
Most people are ignorant to the fact that the Muslim world took up the scientific slack during the Christian imposed Dark Ages. People need to be grateful for that, even if it is a shitty religion.

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Submitted by Onomatopoeia on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 14:31.

yeah, exactly!

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Submitted by Aphonse on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 15:05.

Most people are ignorant of the facts that there has never been a monopoly on science and dicoveries, and that the period of supposed intellectual darkness called Dark Ages is mostly an invention and there no real evidence or proof of it.

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Submitted by President on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 17:26.

What do you mean by monopoly on science? Do you mean no single culture is solely responsible for all scientific progress? Do you really think most people don't know that? It's a neat rhetorical trick that lets you pretend to be more enlightened than the rest of us, the way you say "most people are ignorant of...", thus inferring yourself in an enlightened role - but it works less well when you follow it up with something completely nonsensical.
I am not very enlightened as far as the dark ages go, for all i know you might be right, but i won't take your word for it. The term has been generally accepted for a while, and i presume that if what you're saying is true there will be some sort of body of work that tries to discredit it - care to back up your claim with something a bit more substantive?

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Submitted by Aphonse on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 18:26.

Hi Mr. President, I have mixed feelings about your reply.

As you can see 2 posts before mine, I just used the same amazing "rhetorical trick" that the guy I was talking to.
Being dumb as fuck wasn't enough for me, so I just decided to do a very obvious copy/paste of others' hard work.

The body of work I can provide is unfortunately in French sir - yes I have French blood in my poisoned veins which makes me beyond retard and unable to speak a proper english. Sorry for that. Yet, I am convinced something has been written in englisgh and can easily be found somewhere on the internet. Maybe there is another way I can make it up to you mate?

I do apologize for any inconvenience. Cool avatar by the way.

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Submitted by delay on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 17:01.

21. Juli 1969

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Submitted by vulture capitalist on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 23:13.

Buzz Aldrin, a Presbyterian, was the first person to hold a religious ceremony on the Moon. After landing on the Moon, he radioed Earth: "I'd like to take this opportunity to ask every person listening in, whoever and wherever they may be, to pause for a moment and contemplate the events of the past few hours, and to give thanks in his or her own way." He gave himself Communion on the surface of the Moon, but he kept it secret because of a lawsuit brought by atheist activist Madalyn Murray O'Hair over the reading of Genesis on Apollo 8. Aldrin, a church elder, used a pastor's home Communion kit given to him by Dean Woodruff and recited words used by his pastor at Webster Presbyterian Church. Webster Presbyterian Church, a local congregation in Webster, Texas, (a Houston suburb near the Johnson Space Center) possesses the chalice used for communion on the Moon, and commemorates the event annually on the Sunday closest to July 20.

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Submitted by Mutatis_Mutandis on Tue, 06/26/2012 - 03:35.

Sorry I got here way late too. Think I'll just put this here

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